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Mr D.S.Joyce.
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Tractor work.

Hi to all,

Tomorrow if the weather allows I will journey back north to take another few tests on that old Ransome tractor and see how difficult it will be to feed the magneto points off of a coil system.
And make some tests on the magneto to see if it is putting a spark, I have a feeling there is a fault in the low tension circuit to the magneto points.
There is a lot of corrosion in and around the wiring that I have been able to see.

doujoy

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Progess.

Hi to all,

Made a visit north to my tractor in the marshland and refitted the carb. float chamber with new seals and tested the low and high tension wiring all showing continuity so wiring is good.
But no live reading off the magneto so removed and brought home the magneto for cleaning checking and refurbishment, after some chapping and lots of WD40 I was able slowly work loose the gear-change lever and am now able to select forward and revere gears.
So if the magneto can be brought back to life I might be able to get the old Ransome to burst into life on my next visit, progress is slow but I am getting there.

doujoy

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Magneto.

Hi to all,

Well no wonder it would not start the magneto was totally gummed up with burnt points and on oil had been in that area for a long time, so it was strip and clean and reface the points free everything off and put it back together.
Then time to check what voltage we had coming out from low to high tension, thirteen volts with one good spin connected to the meter.
One classic mistake holding the meter probe against the high tension wire and yes I should know better, so no doubt about the voltage!
Next job is to refit the magneto and hope we can fire up the engine, progress at last.

doujoy

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Magneto.

Hi to all,

After refitting the magneto it seems there is not enough voltage coming out of it to start the engine, so back to the drawing board.
Being a long time since I had any need to work on a magneto I will strip it down to the bare bones this time and check each part is doing what it should.
There seems to be a reduction of spark through the connection to the high tension lead.
Which is transferred through two copper spring strips which just lay against one an other inside the plastic top cover.
So once they are cleaned up I will fit a new high tension lead and see if that increases the out-put.

doujoy

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Magneto low power output.

Hi to all,

After renovating the points and condenser and trying out the magneto on the tractor and failing to get enough of a spark to fire it up it was back to the drawing board, and working out how to convert the system to coil Ign.
And the bench tested system works well putting out a very good spark through the coil fed system energizing the windings so much you can feel the difference just turning the magneto by hand.
So the next step is to wire up and fit the coil system to the tractor I hope next week, quite a lot of work to make good connections on this old rusty tractor but it does seem to be the answer to getting fired up and moving.

doujoy

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Tank time.

Hi to all,

The next step with this old tractor is the petrol tank which is rusted through at the bottom, I have acquired a plastic one which I got cleaned out today and is now ready to fit in underneath the seat so that solves another rusty problem.

doujoy

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Time and wiring.

Hi to all,

Today I decided to make the journey back up to the old tractor and wire in and fit the coil ign. conversion, once wired up with the magneto refitted the next job was to find the timing so that compression and spark met up in the combustion chamber at the right time.
Without any timing marks this was very trail and error but after a number of back-fires and kick-backs I reached a position where for a short time the engine started and ran for a few minutes, carb had a fuel leak which did not help it needs a new sealing ring.
Apart from that some finer adjustment and I had it running for as long as the petrol lasted, next was to get it to move out of the hole in the marshland but on success with that because it is a centrifugal oil wet clutch system and on checking the oil supply tank no oil!
So that is the next thing to get ep90 tractor gearbox oil I am thinking about five gallons of the stuff and then it just might move!

doujoy

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What model

Hello Doug.
Which model is it you have . Is it an M.G. crawler with a sidevalve engine that was made from the nineteen thirties to the sixties. There is a workshop manual for the M.G.5 on the oldengine.org website. Good luck with extracting it from the bog

Regards Andy
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Sealing up the fuel leak.

Hi to all,

I think I have found suitable rubber seal for the carb. bowl leak which will improve the running a great deal with all the fuel going into the engine instead of leaking down the side of the engine block.
I will order five gallons of EP90 and take that back up north next time I go so that I can top-up the gearbox, then we shall see what is working or not!

doujoy

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MG5 1953

Hi Beigebengy,

It is an MG5 1953 crawler with the 6hp side-valve engine, I will have a look at that site I have found another site as well.
The guy who owned it said he has a workshop manual for it but so far has not been able to find it, so any info is welcome.
I used to drive one of these Ransome tractors back when I was fifteen on a berry farm for pocket money, but it was petrol/paraffin model.
So it will make a good project for the tractor and engine club I am a member of if I ever get it out of the marsh-land the dopy git left it in.

doujoy

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MG manual

Hello Doug..
Here is the address/link for MG5 manual http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/manuals/Ransomes%20MG5%20cultivator.pdf
I see in it that the gearbox holds 5 pints. A friend of mines father had a thing for the Ransome and had 5 of them. I remember him saying he recovered one that did not run by jacking it up and putting a scaffold plank under each track and bolting the planks together at the front to make a toboggan thing which he dragged across a nursery with a tractor to where he could collect it. He cheated then and picked it up with his mates lorry which had a hi-ab arm to take it home

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Sunk in the mud.

Hi Beigebengy,

I cannot get enough access to get another tractor into where it is sitting, but once I get five gallons of gear-oil into the oil tank my hope is that it will reveres out of the hole under its own steam.
A full sized tractor would not get through between the buildings, my hope is that I can get someone with a Land-rover and winch to get close enough to drag it back through a hole in the fence if it cannot come out under its own power.
Five years is a long time to be sitting in a wet-land marsh so there might be quite a few things seized up and not working.
Thanks for the info all very helpful stuff.

doujoy

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Hi to all,

On Monday afternoon I have a guy who is going to check on the best way to get this tractor out of the marsh-land without too much damage, so we will see if that can be done.
Then maybe I can get it brought down to my own workshop and see what I can do to get it ready for the rally scene, but that is some way off.

doujoy

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Workshop manual.

Hi to all,

The workshop manual sent on-line to me by Beigebengy has now been printed off and will be a great help for settings and adjustments and levels, If this guy on Monday can work-out how he is going to drag the poor wee tractor out of the marsh-land things can really start to move along.

doujoy

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extraction result.

Hi to all,

The guy I took up to see where the tractor was laying out in this marsh-land looked at all the possible means of access and came to the conclusion it could be winched out due to the distance away from solid ground.
So unless it can be driven up to the road-side there is no way he can help, but we did agree to try jacking the front end up out of the mud and getting some wood underneath the tracks.
This would make the tractor sit level and give me a chance to see if the tracks are seized and check if the clutch can get some movement going, enough to swing it round and move it onto hard ground.
But we have now had two days of rain which adds to wet ground, it will be next week now before I can get back up to it so I hope the rain stops soon.

doujoy

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Its developing into an interesting saga Doug, fingers crossed a solution appears somehow.

Mike
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A new removal method needed.

Hi to all,

After Jim and I had been and seen what the access was like we thought a start up and drive out would be the only of bringing the old Ransome MG5 out of that marsh-land, I came up with the idea of sledging it out on forklift tines.
Jim his a set of tines that might just do the job but then discovered they had been adapted to attach to the rear power-lift arms of one of him tractors and they have extensions.
So with a number of balance weights on the front of his tractor we will try lifting the Ransome side on and crawling slowly to the nearest gate out to the main road.
The measurements of the Ransome are 75 inches long 33 inches wide and the weight is 12cwt so just over the half ton, keeping it close to the ground it just might work.
In the mean-time I will go up next week and jack it up and put some steel cross-members underneath the tracks to make space for the tines to slide through.

doujoy

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Would a turfer help Doug?

Mike
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Extracting the Ransome.

Hi Mike,

Being as it is in a marsh-land wet area I thought sledged out on these steel tine's would be the best way to do it but Jim thinks it should be lifted just clear of the ground and brought out.
My concern is balance twelve hundred-weight is quite a lift and then you have a five hundred yard journey over wet marsh ground, very uneven and up hill towards the road all a bit risky.

doujoy

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preventing front lift

Hello Doug...
Do you have a small trailer axle or similar that you could bolt or clamp to the under the tines after they have passed under the ransome . Might act as a sort of wheelie prevention bar and help to spread the weight and stop the tractor nose going up and also keep the tines from independent flexing. Depends on what you mean by uneven ground though as too small a wheel diameter would be more hinderance than help.

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